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When is a Designation not a Designation?

Craig Schiller posted a blog that has had great commentary in response (over 70 responses) - and he combined two topics in his blog, selecting the right word - i.e. "invent" - and Barb Schwarz and Staging. I find a relevant third theme, but didn't want it to get lost as most people won't have time to read all the comments.

Craig touched on the ASP designation, which attendees of Barb Schwarz's staging class receive. I liken this to Jack Peckham's RECS (Real Estate CyberSpace Specialist). Jack's Cyberspace Society has a lot to offer its members, from tapes to resources to discounts. He deserves a lot of credit for putting all that together. But that begs the point.

What significance does or can a designation have if the only requirement is that you complete a course or that you join an organization? Taking a class doesn't make an expert.  Why not say "X Class Graduate" or "Completed the X Course"? To me, a designation indicates, or should indicate, expertise. Take the well-respected CRS designation. We all know that not only did a CRS complete several courses, but that they have demonstrated proficiency, that they have completed a lot of transactions. How can you be a certified stager if you've never staged a home yourself? How can you be a cyberspace specialist if you don't know how to send an e-mail with an attachment?

There are many designations that require experience as well as education - the CRS, CIPS, CCIM - the new ASR designation goes even further in that in addition to coursework and proof of transactions, you have to submit references or referral letters from satisfied, pleased customers. Aren't these earned designations diluted by other "designations"?  I have some of the other designations - I have them because I took classes or joined organizations that I took or joined to further my education, to learn something, to enhance my services to my clients. I don't print these designations on my cards because I don't want to mislead anyone. 

What's wrong with calling something what it is? What's wrong with just talking about your education?

That's why I like a national designation like the CLHMS where you know what it means, or what it takes to get it. Yes, I've had the luxury designations from the major franchises I was affiliated with over the years - but there was no consistency in what it took to earn those company designations.

So much for my soapbox - but now you see why I didn't want to just post this as a comment bringing up yet another good point in Craig's blog.

Sharon Simms, Real Estate Agent selling homes in St. Petersburg, Florida, the Gulf Beaches and the Tampa Bay area. 

 

 

Comments

I'm just going to attach letters to my card, such as LTSL, LEOE, etc.- because it's true.  Sometimes, I Like To Sleep Late, and I definitely Like Eggs Over Easy.  My guess is that it will not become an issue, because buyers and sellers don't care.

Posted by Laurie Mindnich at Options Realty about 5 years ago

Sharon - I couldn't agree with you more. The one designation I do want to see is AR. Now that means something to me.

Sheron 

Posted by Sheron Cardin - how2homestage.com (California Moods Inc) about 5 years ago
Sharon, I couldn't agree more! This is one of the reason I refuse to join the Better Business Bureau or a myriad of other organizations. If all I have to do is attend a class or write a check I ain't joining. Kind of like being a REALTOR(R)!!! Even though I'm proud to be a REALTOR and of course needed to join to have MLS access, the requirements to be one are a sad state of affairs. 
Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc about 5 years ago
Boy I feel silly.  I don't know what any of them mean and I've been working hand-in-hand with Realtors for years.  I'm going to have to read up on this.
Posted by Arizona Mortgage about 5 years ago

Excellent points, Sharon. I agree with you on the CRS (I am one too). The training was outstanding. ABR was good as well.

Karen - yep, I bet that is what a lot of consumers say. :)

Jeff, LC, LTE, AOS, HP

Posted by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Homes for Sale ~ 760-840-1360 (Solutions Real Estate (CA DRE Lic. # 01490977)) about 5 years ago

Laurie - thanks for making me smile and then laugh.

Sheron - but what about the lurkers on AR??

Bryant - you know we have a lot in common - including crazy spouses.

Jeff - yes, the CRS, which has been around for a long time, really is a significant one. Great referral source, too.

Karen and Jeff - when I have clients who comment that they don't know what they all mean, I respond that "they mean that I'm constantly re-educating myself to be able to serve you better".  Europeans like certifications. 

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago

I agree... it is not the fact that you paid to sit in a class.

We all can do that... if we have the cash.

EDUCATION IS AWESOME! But... what is IMPORTANT is what you do with it. How you apply it.

THAT is what a client/customer is going to recognize in the long run.

Not the ALPHABET SOUP that people have NO understanding of.

Me

 

Thanks for drawing this parallel back to the Realtor... it helps to drive home the point.

Posted by Craig Schiller (REAL ESTAGING, a nationally recognized leader in Staging.) about 5 years ago
Thanks for your comment, Craig. We're both going in the same direction.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago
This also makes me wish that the requirements for CRS hadn't been so diluted.  You only have to have 25 transactions now, it was 75 when I got mine.  I figure they loosened it up to get more dues paying members. I do highly recommend that course series though, it can make an agent into a good agent if they listen.
Posted by Leigh Brown Charlotte NC Broker/Owner (RE/MAX Executive Realty) about 5 years ago
I really like and recommend the CRS courses.  I have been looking at some of the other designations.  Some of them seem weak.
Posted by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTOR® (808) 384-5645 (Century 21 Liberty Homes ) about 5 years ago
I'm just getting started on my designations ( :-)) - however - if you have the opportunity I highly recommend the CRB in addition to the CRS.
Posted by Tony Marriott, Associate Broker, REALTOR® (Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty) about 5 years ago

Leigh, I agree. I hate to see a loosening of requirements, they should be getting tighter! Also agree that organizations seem to want more annual membership dues.

Randy, I still recommend the CRS courses, too.

Tony, once you're started on your designations you'll conquer them the way you conquer everything you set your mind to.  When I got my CRB all you needed was a CRS designation and then one CRB course. It was a great course, but I still think it's an unfair way to a designation. Same as RECS - have a CRS? just send in an application and your money. 

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago

Being fairly new I am just starting on mine.  I'll be earning my CRS first. 

I remember Linda Davis stating in a similar post that she has 2 set of business cards: one with the alphabet soup for colleagues and one without for the consumers.  Consumers don't know what they mean so they can't care. 

Maggie Dokic, OARTM, LEP, NSS 

 

and just so you don't have to think it through: On Active Rain Too Much, Likes Eggplant Parmigiana, Needs Some Sleep.  Thanks for the idea Laurie =)

Nice post Sharon.

Posted by Pinecrest | Palmetto Bay | Maggie Dokic, SFR (Keller Williams Realty Premier Properties) about 5 years ago

This posting sure has elicited a good number of comments.

Truthfully, I don't know what some of them mean and posit that the public  knows even less than I.

When I first saw CRS (and I are one) bet you know what I thought.

When I first saw CRB I thought that I had to be a broker/owner to get it; was already a CRS then.

Are we just feeding our egos with all of these designationa?

Posted by Ed DeChristopher, CRS©,Fredericksburg VA (Fredericksburg Realty, Inc.) about 5 years ago

Maggie - consumers may not know what they mean, but I think they do care that we're continually equipping ourselves to better serve them.

Ed - No, I don't think we're just feeding our egos. The first question to ask is - would I take this class without the designation, to learn? If so (as in the staging course I took), we're not taking it for the designation.

    Second, as to paying an annual fee to  keep the designation - if there's value in referrals and/or resources, it makes sense - i.e., CRS. For one like QSV, it wasn't.   

 

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago
Sharon - the lurkers need to jump in and get wet. That is the only way they will find out what they are really thinking, feeling, and expressing. If they are willing to do that, they are willing to grow in my estimation. 
Posted by Sheron Cardin - how2homestage.com (California Moods Inc) about 5 years ago

Excellent observation regarding designations.  I think that most clients have no idea what those letters mean and I have only been asked a couple of times about them.  So, perhaps the new ones are there more to make the recipients feel better than to give the clients confidence in the agent?

 

 

Posted by Christina Whipple (RE/MAX Preferred) about 5 years ago

Sharon, reading my response again made me realize two things.  One, I may have written something that isn't entirely what I meant.  And two, regardless of that, it was off topic anyway!  lol  Sorry.

Your post addresses the quality of one designation vs.  another.  I agree that a designation should not be tied to whether you can afford the class or not.  It should be tied in to education, experience and sometimes transactions.  Clearly not all designations are created equal.  I shall strive to earn the CRS first as everyone tells me that is a well-regarded one.  I will research the issue each time I am ready to go for another.  You are absolutely right in your response to me that customers do care that we continue to learn in order to better serve their needs.  I appreciate the discussion.

Posted by Pinecrest | Palmetto Bay | Maggie Dokic, SFR (Keller Williams Realty Premier Properties) about 5 years ago

Christina  -  or to generate income for the designation creators....?

Maggie - CRS is definitely a worthwhile designation and one that is recognized by most REALTORS®. Go for that one, then you can address the others. 

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago

Sharon, Funny about designations..I once had someone call and ask for Margaret Romegri.

So I took my designations off my cards and out of my ads thinking the public is NOT interested and does not understand these letters. Not too long after that, I had a client say that her last agent said.. She must not have any education or else she would advertise her designations. I put the designations back in my print ads.

 

Posted by HomeRome Realty Author:Real Estate the Rome Way 410-530-2400 about 5 years ago
Thanks for the post, Mrs. Romegri.  That reminds me of when we lived in Tennessee and a roving minister came by, rang the bell, and asked if I was Mrs. Klingel.  -  Tami was learning German and we had labels posted all over the house, including one under the doorbell that said Klingel.  I usually pick out 3 or 4 designations, either the most professional or the most relevant. No need to do the complete alphabet soup.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago

Ok Ms. Klingel. I hear the bell, time to go get ready for the radio show. Wanna call in?

www.wcbm.com 410-922-6680 12 noon til 1 pm.

Posted by HomeRome Realty Author:Real Estate the Rome Way 410-530-2400 about 5 years ago
I'll try. As it happens I'd already thought about that this morning. This is one of the rare Sundays when I have the day to myself.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago

Sharon, I know you tried to phone in but we had too many callers to take them all.  We also had two other guests that I was not aware of.

Since I was not maning the switch board, you did not have such a good chance today. Maybe next time.

 

Posted by HomeRome Realty Author:Real Estate the Rome Way 410-530-2400 about 5 years ago
Margaret - do you know ahead of time which weeks you're manning the switchboard?
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 5 years ago

Sharon, I do keep Sundays 12 -1pm open just in case they need me. Sometimes it is a few days ahead, sometimes it is a few hours ahead.

 

Posted by HomeRome Realty Author:Real Estate the Rome Way 410-530-2400 about 5 years ago

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