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Average prices don't really tell you about the market

After showing a prospect some downtown St Petersburg condos this afternoon, we sat down to sort through what we'd seen. He asked me, "What's going to happen with prices? Are condos going down more than houses?"

Other than not having a crystal ball, I can say that in both condos and houses some are going to do well and some are not. The average price change isn't going to help you. Let's talk about which building (or which neighborhoods) are likely to show more price drops than others. Despite the newspaper statistics you read, there are still some building and some neighborhoods where prices are not declining, and where they're actually going up.

Then we started to discuss the downtown St Pete condo buildings, one by one. They say Real Estate is Local - and it really is. Dig deeper to separate the mini-markets. 

Comments

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Our market is very different depending on whether you're looking at the higher end, middle of the market or entry level price range. And neighborhood by neighborhood. It's so critical for buyers to have a knowledgeable, local area specialist assisting them! And as Realtors, it's important for us to be on top of the trends. The only thing costant in my market is the change!
Posted by Shannon Jones - Long Beach CA Real Estate (The Shannon Jones Team) over 4 years ago
Shannon - yes, change is the only constant. A knowledgeable, local area specialist really has a lot to offer buyers (and sellers). There's a lot of important information that isn't written down.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago
Sharon, I agree and I like your "mini-market" description. Averages and regional (even countywide) data can never give an accurate read on what's happening in a given specific location or neighborhood. Some areas and neighborhoods are outperforming the average while others are below. It's the application of local conditions (specific area/neighborhood inventory, days on market, features) that is crucial to any in depth analysis. Excellent post!
Posted by Diane McDermott, Charlotte NC Real Estate Market (RealtorĀ®, GRI, Landis e2 Real Estate, LLC) over 4 years ago
Diane - glad you agree. That's also why we don't advise a buyer to offer the average discount of sale price from list price. Every property is different. Let's compare asking price to value rather than to an "average" purchase.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago

Sharon - I focus on a very small market area, normally 50-60 homes sold per year, but in 2007 only 25 homes sold.  Nonetheless, when you really dig down beneath the numbers, it becomes clear that there was a two-tiered market.  Homes below $400,000 gained value and those above $400,000 lost value.  The differences were quite dramatic.  This is the first time that our market has shown a bifurcation of values.

Posted by Gail Robinson, REALTOR, e-PRO Fairfield County, CT (William Raveis Real Estate, Southport, CT) over 4 years ago
Yes, you must always be careful how you interpret this data, I agree, that average home prices and those data points can be problematic when trying to ascertain the pulse of the market. Lance
Posted by Lance Winslow (The Car Wash Guy) over 4 years ago
Data is data and really tells you little unit you know how to read it. We get faced with that all the time.  
Posted by Eric Bouler ( Gardner Realtors, Licensed in La.) over 4 years ago
I have seen patterns in my market.  For example when we had a troop movement we saw lower priced condos moving faster.  That meant lower average sale prices and a lower median price for that period of time.  Did that mean prices were dropping?  No, it meant that the lower end properties had a rush of business.  The higher end ones were still moving the same as before.
Posted by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTORĀ® (808) 384-5645 (Century 21 Liberty Homes ) over 4 years ago

Gail - good for you for being aware of the bifurcation. Now you'll have to educate everyone you deal with.

Lance - it's always good to have a knowledgeable colleague if it's an area you're not familiar with.

Eric - that points out that statistics are what you make them.

Randy - exactly the point!  

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago

So, so true, but it seems the buyers are so nervous with the economy, they listen to all of your guidance, and still feel they should take another 5% off, to prepare for future.  I prepare the buyer cma, and it is much easier to do when similar units have sold,  but you need to try and get the prices of the units that are in contract, you just have to be so current. I know I am going off a little, but it is just when you get what the price is, will appraise for, is fair for both parties, that still both feel they are being cheated.

Posted by Joanne Brown (Rockland County Real Estate) over 3 years ago

Joanne - yes, and some buyers decide not to buy because their "other advisors" are telling them that prices are going to drop much farther. We can only guide according to our experience.

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 3 years ago

When we say it is local, it is often not about the market in general. In one condo the  developer is still selling a few units and they go for under $300K, however all resales in t he same building for for $500K+. The minute the developer walks out of the building, those under $300K are gone. The  next budilding has all unit that are resale. These o a mini scale woudl be a totally different market

Posted by Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL. FunCoast Realty, 386-405-4408 10 months ago

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