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Wider angle but less vivid color: Kodak V-705 vs Kodak DC4800

For our latest listing we have three sets of photographs, one set from the owner, and one from each of the above cameras. It was interesting to have three photos on the screen to compare the results from each. The owner's camera was a "normal" lens where the other two had wide angles to different degrees - we did not use the owner's as they showed less of the room.

Kodak DC4800 Kitchen shot Kodak DC-4800

Kodak V-705 kitchen shot Kodak V-705

Both of these were taken from the same spot, with the same lighting, just seconds apart.

As you can see, the wide angle lens of the V-705 did give a wider view, but the colors weren't as warm and inviting as those from the CD-4800. No adjustments were made to either photo.

Without having to go into a photo editing program, any suggestions for a setting change on the 705 to enhance the colors?

Why, oh why, when a product improves one aspect, does it degrade another aspect?

Comments

Question, was it the same shutter speed and apeture. Sometimes it may look like the same but the settings may have been different.
Posted by Jeannette Neerpat, e-Pro Coral Springs/Parkland Real Estate (CondoDomain.com) over 4 years ago
Were you using the flash on the Kodak V-705?  I think the Kodak V-705 works better without the automatic flash.
Posted by Linda Davis (RE/MAX Realty Group) over 4 years ago

Here's a thought- there are three types of light in each of these photos. You have natural daylight coming from the window, incandescent light coming from the ceiling fan and fluorescent light coming from the kitchen. Most digital cameras are by default set to capture images in daylight. There may be a setting on your V-705 that is color correcting for a certain type or "color temperature" of light. This would be separate from controls for the actual exposure of the image.

In traditional photography: 

Fluorescent lights give a greenish quality to film that is corrected by adding magenta during printing (or using a magenta filter on camera). 

Incandescent lights give a yellowish quality to film that is corrected by subtracting yellow during printing (or using a blue filter on camera).

Daylight and flash photos come out with properly balanced color.

 

In digital photography:

Many cameras do the thinking for you!

 

Examples of color temp:

  • 1700 K: Match flame
  • 1850 K: Candle
  • 2800 K: Tungsten lamp (incandescent lightbulb)
  • 3350 K: Studio "CP" light
  • 3400 K: Studio lamps, photofloods, etc...
  • 4100 K: Moonlight
  • 5000 K: Typical warm daylight
  • 5500–6000 K: Typical cool daylight, electronic flash (can vary between manufacturers)
  • 6420 K: Xenon arc lamp
  • 6500 K: Daylight°
  • 9300 K: TV screen (analog)

 

p.s. the wider angle could be throwing you off- notice the glow coming from the windows and the halo around the ceiling fan lights in the second image. I also suspect image one used a flash and image two did not. Look at the chairs at the table in both images and notice that image two has shadows under the table on the seats. These would be gone if you had used a flash like in image one.

Posted by Darrel Brannock e-PRO (Prudential Northwest Realty) over 4 years ago
Both were good pics even if the 1st ones colors seemed warmer. Personally I would just quickly go into Microsoft Office Picture Manager and adjust the lighting.
Posted by Danny Smith (DISCOVER TEXAS HOMES) over 4 years ago
I have the same problem with my 750, so I'll park to learn.
Posted by Missy Caulk-Ann Arbor-Realtor® Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams-Ann Arbor) over 4 years ago

Jeannette - I'll have to check that. Both were on "automatic" but that may be different in the two cameras.

Linda - good thought. Tami took the photos, so I'll ask her.

Darrel - what an analysis! Thanks so much.

Danny - that's always an after-the-fact solution.

Missy - it's great when we can all learn together from experts willing to share. 

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago
I don't know the V705 that well, but many cameras have setting to make the color more or less vivid.
Posted by Lee Jinks (Greater McAllen Association of REALTORS®) over 4 years ago
Sharon, can you use the camera that took the better color picture and change the lens on the camera and use that camera? I like the vibrant colors. I use a very old sony with a wide angle lens and it takes great pictures.
Posted by Susan Trombley Broker/Realtor Raleigh, Cary, Wake Forest, Youngsville (Trombley Real Estate) over 4 years ago

Sharon,

It seems like the second photo has more glare or there was more sunlight coming in. The first one seemed to pick up more of the details and colors much clearer and less light glare from the window.

Posted by Neal Bloom-Realtor ®CRS-Weston FL Real Estate (Keller Williams Properties, Weston FL) over 4 years ago
Sharon, I don't know much about either camera but I think it is a lighting issue. Maybe return and take a picture with the lights off. Same position and same time of day. Just to compare.
Posted by Frank Rubi New Orleans | Kenner | Slidell (Frank Rubi Real Estate) over 4 years ago
thanks for this post. I just joined the photography group about a week ago. This example side by side and the following comments have given me some new ideas. I like what you've displayed here. I like to see differences like this pointed out. It is a helpful way to learn about it.
Posted by A Crye-Leike Blogger, Angie Vandenbergh (Crye-Leike, Realtors) over 4 years ago

Lee - We plan to read the instruction book when we're flying to Phoenix this week.

Susan - unfortunately, no. The Kodak DC4800 is a fixed lens camera.

Neal - they were taken just seconds apart. We found that the v705 had a similar color range to the photo taken by the seller at a totally different time, so only the 4800 had the color depth. That was a consistent finding in other compared pictures also.

Frank - agreed. We need to do some experimenting.

Angie - thanks. Photos always help the explanation. In the staging group I like when they show both before and after photos. 

Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago
Sharon, OK, I know you said "without going into an editing program", but I-Photo, which comes with all Macs is just amazingly easy to use.  You can sharpen the shots and fool with the exposure really easily.  You can also straighten them out.  I'm too dumb to figure out Photoshop!  And I'm glad that I don't have to!
Posted by Patricia Kennedy (Evers & Company Realtors) over 4 years ago
Patricia - I've seen other people working on a Mac and it's pretty cool. Tami has both a Mac (for her graphic design work) and a PC.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago

Sharon, great first photo. Love the information from this group. I have an SLR which takes great photos and a cute little Sony that takes good photos. I do like the first one you took. I also have a wide angle lens for my SLR, but typically like the way the photos turn out without it better. I love photography and only wish I had more time to spend learning better. I'll drop by the group posts and try and learn something.

Pepper

Posted by Teri Ellis at Homes Arizona Real Estate LLC over 4 years ago
Teri - isn't it so true that there never is ONE camera that has everything - size, wide angle, quality, color tones, features, easy of use - all in the same camera? I'm currently in Scottsdale - is that near Mesa?
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago

It looks to me (mostly from seeing how the light coming in from the window and lights completely wash out those parts of the image) like the exposure on the second was a bit longer.

A suggestion I was given by someone in a camera store was to treat digital picture-taking similar to the old 35mm slides: go into the setup menu and set the camera to under-expose by 1/3 to 1/2 stop.  This will help avoid over-exposure and give richer colors.  (If you have a really nice camera that takes pictures in the "Raw" mode, this is probably not necessary.)  The man who told me this trick said it's basically what they do for the pictures in the Reiman Publications (Country, Taste Of Home, and Reminisce) magazines.

Posted by David Holzmann (Holzmann & Associates) over 4 years ago
Thanks, David. We'll try it, assuming we have that option on the camera.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 4 years ago

Many of the Kodaks have a settings menu that allows you to set machine for normal of VIVID color.

I'd try the VIVID setting - will probably do what you want

Posted by Camera Settings about 4 years ago
Camera Settings - thanks very much. I'll try that.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 4 years ago

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